The Rainmakers' 'Let my people go-go' [0] remains a masterpiece.
And btw this scene from his movie is just gold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozhOo0Dt4o
Not doing so would render most of this type of art in general feeling flat.
Whereas most works seem to have a thesis and then explore them on different levels, Lynch seems to just throw out ideas in different scenes.
I would love to unpack what parts of twin peaks were Lynch’s design and what parts were not
> Audiences, however, must do their own figuring out. “I don’t ever explain it. Because it’s not a word thing. It would reduce it, make it smaller.” These days he rarely gives interviews, not even during the hugely hyped return of Twin Peaks last year – a show that is still debated as either the best or worst TV of 2017. “When you finish anything, people want you to then talk about it. And I think it’s almost like a crime,” he explains. “A film or a painting – each thing is its own sort of language and it’s not right to try to say the same thing in words. The words are not there. The language of film, cinema, is the language it was put into, and the English language – it’s not going to translate. It’s going to lose.”
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/23/david-lynch-got...
I am a big fan, but I think it's silly to hunt after every single detail and thing and try to find out "the truth" about what he really meant by it. Just enjoy the movies, have your own thoughts about it, and accept the fact that you will never know. It's a ride, just enjoy it.
I know some people who hate his works for this reason. They want a neatly packaged story that doesn't require them to think.
As someone who isn't particularly into his work, this feels like a false dichotomy to me. There's a middle ground between dream-like sequences that are intentionally ambiguous to the point where the directory refuses to elaborate on a single definitive explanation and everything being blatant and obvious to the point where no thinking is required, and I'd argue that trying to figure something out that does have a single definitive explanation but isn't obvious is far more similar to what a detective would need to figure out. This isn't to say that there's anything wrong with anything Lynch does or with the fact that people enjoy his work, but I think it's unfair to dismiss people who don't feel the same way as not wanting to think at all.
I loath anything that feels like it is on the edge of making sense. I hate searching for hidden meaning in something that doesn't actually have a legible hidden meaning. I suspect some of Lynch's work fits in that category.
I'm on the engineer spectrum and I just accept that others rate things that I never will enjoy. Maybe I should learn the appeal of tarot? I vicariously enjoy being around my friend that watches movies non-linearly. I don't understand another friend who watched a popular old movie thousands of times and applied their smarts to analysing it multiple different ways.
I don't think I fit your stereotype for people that want a nice linear packaged story they don't need to think about. But maybe I'm overthinking.
I do enjoy trying to understand what smart friends intensely direct their thoughts towards: so I would enjoy talking with a friend who loves Mulholland Drive.
Like dreams, no?
It's not about being a pretentious savant who can analyze his films for deeper meaning but enjoying them for defying the expectations. And you can draw any conclusion you like - from hating it to watching it 1000x and writing a thesis on it and everything in between.
Not really because I don't try to analyse my dreams.
I often have AAA vivid dreams in SciFi, fantasy, or outré settings: I absolutely love my stunning inner dreamlife, but I rarely read any meanings into what I see.
> but enjoying them for defying the expectations
I don't get that pleasure. Even though I do enjoy some freaky movies! For me good surprise breaks and makes its own logical consistency.
I want either sense or nonsense: a half-mixture just annoys me.
Or they want something with substance, not just dreams-via-film where even the creator doesn't have any answers or a plan.
Anyone can fill in the blanks. It's not really 'thinking', IMO.
Most shows seem to gradually reveal the underlying story/truth as they progress. Twin Peaks is the total opposite of that- it starts out kind-of straightforward, and gets progressively harder to make sense of the more you watch. The owls are not what they seem.
As a long time Twin Peaks viewer and Wrapped in Plastic subscriber, it all resonated for me. The thesis there is extremely comprehensive and full of examples and the most compelling version I've found.
It may spoil it for some, and if you prefer to leave mysteries untouched ... don't watch it, but it also enriched my subsequent rewatches of many Lynch films.
His ideas and imagery come from there, I would guess. He said somewhere that it's like diving deeper down to catch the bigger fish. So we end up with quite strange, but very detailed and interesting imagery and set of characters.
It's also not completely random. There is some loose internal logic and Lynch knows what it is, I feel, but he refuses to explain it. It's part of the fun to try to decipher it.
The furniture pieces have some art deco motifs, and look like they would fit into the Twin Peaks universe well. Specifically thinking of Naido's place or fireman's castle on the purple ocean from The Return https://backtotwinpeaks.com/twin-peaks-articles/supernatural...
The idea of places and even furniture, specifically, hosting spirits is also common in Twin Peaks. here I was remembering Josie being stuck in a wooden knob and log lady's husband spirit going into a log.
You imply harm is being done. Who is harmed, and how?
Also, a cool documentary, not about TM but somewhat related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMxgevzd4c
https://www.npr.org/2016/06/13/481845003/a-childhood-of-tran...
There are plenty of online resources about the cult aspects of TM if you actually look.
Cults are distinct from normal religious organizations. What makes the TM-as-promoted-by-David-Lynch a cult?
The link talks about a religious organization that asked for money on a regular basis from followers. Who is being harmed there, and how? People willingly donating their money to religious organizations is not alone evidence of abuse.
"So you had to have a special kind of paste before you went to go practice your Yogic Flying, and the paste cost, like, $150, and the Yogic Flying cost thousands of dollars to learn, and then your badge to get into the dome to practice the group meditation cost $100 a month."
"It cost thousands of dollars because Maharishi said that Americans don't value things unless they pay a lot of money for them."
Many interpretations come to the exact opposite conclusion: that Lynch starts with a specific idea and then visits it in a different way in each scene. They may seem different, but there is an underlying theme. At least, if those interpretations are right.
Here is an example for Inland Empire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkk9GWonTyg
Try to ignore that person's overconfidence, he does actually make a good case for his interpretation, I think, showing that the film can be seen as boiling down to one clear main message. (I don't agree with all of his points, but I do think he is on to something.)
> I would love to unpack what parts of twin peaks were Lynch’s design and what parts were not
Reading Mark Frost's books can help there, as likely Lynch's influence on them is minimal. But it is still hard to unpack, Twin Peaks was really a joint project.
Well, that's what he does. He basically adapts his dreams into film. He can't explain much because even he doesn't have the answers.
I don't find that a particularly impressive approach to creating art, but he certainly has his fans.
I feel like Lynch might disagree with this. He pretty consistently dissuades people from trying to explain his works.
Also:
> Lynch was adamant that his new foray into design exists separately from his film career.
Lynch's philosophy is that mystery endures, and that we naturally dwell on the mysterious. His mysteries become a gift to the viewer/reader, and the vividness of his strokes make them dwell for decades. I still dwell on so many aspects of Twin Peaks. If he simply gave his own interpretation or explanation, that would be that, and the gift would vanish like owls in the night.
- "Elaborate on that"
- "No."
art for no one is quite "to be", though
* Twin Peaks is an meta commentary about the lack of balance on the small screen (our desire for sex and violence). Interestingly this ended up being a meta-meta-commentary when the network forced them to reveal the killer of Laura Palmer prematurely. Laura Palmer is balance, Dale Cooper is the audience, Bob is our desire for sex & violence, …
* Mulholland Drive is about the casting couch and the destruction of the Hollywood dream for women. Rita is the casting couch, the cowboy is Hollywood, …
* Lost Highway appears to be a comment about plagiarism (namely other directors plagiarising David Lynch). But it also has a similar theme to Twin Peaks as a meta commentary about film — the shots of the road are meant to look like film, the vehicles are meant to represent movies, …
etc.
He always talks about being “true to the idea” — so all abstractions and all surreal elements must be true to the underlying concept. It’s up to us to work out what the underlying theme is (that links all of the abstractions together).
Of course, my favorite David Lynch movie is "The Straight Story" - what a heartwarming tale!
Personally, as a massive David Lynch fan, I love the fact that he does this. I must have had half a dozen interpretations of Mulholland Drive over the years — all of which I like even though I’m fairly sure I know the ‘correct’ interpretation.
Really? No, really? Not Twin Peaks? Not Lost Highway? Not Eraserhead, not The Elephant Man? Not Dune?!
Or, you know, it just means the curtains are fucking blue! (for anyone who gets the reference).