Vintage Large Language Models(owainevans.github.io)
48 points by pr337h4m 7 hours ago | 8 comments
abeppu 4 hours ago
The talk focuses for a bit on having pure data from before the given date. But it doesn't consider that the data available from before that time may be subject to strong selection bias, based on what's interesting to people doing scholarship or archival work after that date. E.g. have we disproportionately digitized the notes/letters/journals of figures whose ideas have gained traction after their death?

The article makes a comparison to financial backtesting. If you form a dataset of historical prices of stocks which are _currently_ in the S&P500, even if you only use price data before time t, models trained against your data will expect that prices go up and companies never die, because they've only seen the price history of successful firms.

dboon 2 hours ago
The talk explicitly addresses this exact issue.
alalv 3 hours ago
It mentions that problem in the first section
malkia 2 hours ago
Not a financial person by any means, but doesn't the Black Swan Theory basically disproves such methods due to rarity of an event that might have huge impact without something to predict (in the past) that it might happen, or even if it can be predicted - the impact cannot?

For example: Chernobyl, COVID, 2008 financial crisis and even 9/11

unleaded 2 hours ago
Someone has sort of done this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1mvnmjo/my_llm_...

I doubt a better one would cost $200,000,000.

digdugdirk 2 hours ago
I've been wanting to do this on historical court records - building upon the existing cases, one by one, using llms as the "Judge". It'd be interesting to see which cases branch off from the established precedent, and how that cascades into the present.

Any thoughts how one could get started with this?

ideashower 2 hours ago
I like the idea of using vintage LLMs to study explicit and implicit bias. e.g. text before mid-19th century believing in racial superiority, gender discrimination, imperial authority or slavery. Comparing that to text since then. I'm sure there are more ideas when you use temporal constraints on training data.
ijk 2 hours ago
I was hoping that this would be about Llama 1 and comparison with GPT-contaminated models.
UltraSane 2 hours ago
Over the long term LLMs are going to become very interesting snapshots of history. Imagine prompting an LLM from 2025 in 2125.
lukan 2 hours ago
I would probably prefer wikipedia snapshots (including debate) as a future historian.
i80and 37 minutes ago
Maybe in the sense that a CueCat is interesting to us today.
nxobject 5 hours ago
I love the ideas about how we might use historical LLMs to inquire into the past!

I imagine that (the author hints at this), to do this rigorously, spelling out assumptions etc, you’d have to build off theoretical frameworks used to inductively synthesize/qualify interviews and texts, currently around in history and the social sciences.

mountainriver 5 hours ago
Very cool! I’ve been wanting to do this do a long time!