Unifying our mobile and desktop domains(techblog.wikimedia.org)
92 points by todsacerdoti 8 hours ago | 6 comments
porphyra 1 hour ago
It was mildly annoying how en.wikipedia.org would redirect to en.m.wikipedia.org on mobile, but en.m.wikipedia.org wouldn't redirect to en.wikipedia.org on desktop. So when a mobile user sent me a link, I had to go and manually delete the '.m' in order to view it nicely. But I guess it makes sense since desktop developers need to be able to see the mobile site sometimes.
Wowfunhappy 1 minute ago
> But I guess it makes sense since desktop developers need to be able to see the mobile site sometimes.

IMO this isn't a good reason. Developers can change the user agent.

I also imagine there could be a no-redirect preference for logged in users. Or even just a special query string you could add to the end of a url.

sfRattan 1 hour ago
There was a period I can recall, maybe 2010 to 2020 most prominently, when a subset of HN readers strongly preferred the mobile Wikipedia site, even on desktop, and would always use ".m" linking to Wikipedia articles in comments threads. This also seemed to happen in reddit threads during that decade.

I sort of remember some of the older MediaWiki desktop themes looking worse than the mobile theme, but it was never enough for me personally to try always using the mobile site at the time. I do still strongly prefer old.reddit.com... For as long as that portal continues to exist.

porphyra 34 minutes ago
Yeah, in the olden days, there was no max-width for desktop wikipedia, so the readability was not good.
sedatk 3 hours ago
That's a welcome development albeit late, but more importantly, they should address the "can't link to a highlight" problem on mobile. When all sections are collapsed by default, browser won't scroll to the relevant section.

A random "link to highlight" example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_of_Cyprus#:~:text=On%2...

Such a link doesn't work on mobile if it points inside a collapsed section.

That makes directing people to relevant content on mobile really hard, and I end up sending screenshots instead.

EDIT: "Link to fragment"s had the same problem, but apparently, they fixed it. Thanks for that too!

SchemaLoad 3 hours ago
About 10 years late, I can't think of any websites other than Wikipedia still doing the mobile domain.
layer8 3 hours ago
YouTube? Twitch? FaceBook? GSMArena? There are lots.
sedatk 2 hours ago
m.youtube.com and m.facebook.com redirect you to main "m-less" domain when on desktop. That was the greatest problem with Wikipedia. You had to experience that mobile layout on desktop unless you edited the address line and reloaded the page.
SoKamil 1 hour ago
m.wikipedia.org was a feature, not a bug. The interface is good on desktop. For some time, before Wikipedia did a desktop site rework, this was my go-to frontend.
huflungdung 1 hour ago
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micromacrofoot 2 hours ago
late for what?
NooneAtAll3 1 hour ago
pc website redirected mobile users from the very beginning

mobile website did not redirect pc users

10 years late at fixing this very basic problem

sedatk 2 hours ago
Late for fixing design and UX bifurcation.
janpio 6 hours ago
Great job.

I was hoping this was a unification of the both layouts as well, that would have been really impressive. The mobile version of the article pages is great, but getting both versions from the same frontend would be an amazing case study.

bawolff 2 hours ago
The mobile site is relatively unpopular among editors, i think there would be a riot if they did that.

That said, there is a "desktop" version of the mobile skin, you can get it by appending ?useskin=minerva to a wikipedia url.

NooneAtAll3 1 hour ago
wdym?

isn't "new" pc design that's been around for last couple years pretty much mobile one already? (and thus ugly af)

lxgr 3 hours ago
Finally! But…

> Wikipedia’s use of it is surprising to our present day audience, and it may decrease the perceived strength of domain branding

Really? That’s the reasoning, and not the fact that mobile links forwarded to desktop browsers would render the mobile view?!

LeoPanthera 2 hours ago
It's surely much less of a problem than most non-technical users wondering why Wikipedia URLs start with "en" instead of "www".
pr337h4m 3 hours ago
The mobile view is a really pleasant reading experience on desktop.
bawolff 2 hours ago
> Really? That’s the reasoning, and not the fact that mobile links forwarded to desktop browsers would render the mobile view?!

If you read the more technical internal rationals instead of just the press release, what you said is mentioned as one of the reasons for the change

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Mobile_d...

jonny_eh 3 hours ago
Now it's your turn YouTube…