The gruesome new data on tech jobs(businessinsider.com)
33 points by pseudolus 1 hour ago | 9 comments
rogerrogerr 1 hour ago
Can anyone convince me this is truly an effect of AI, and not just pullback from the mass hiring during and following ZIRP in 2021-23ish? I understand either cause makes it a bad time to be a junior, but would like to hear the argument _against_ "AI is taking our jobs".

(I suspect some very junior jobs have genuinely been taken by AI, but it seems to me that the driving factor is still a return-to-mean after ZIRP).

AYBABTME 2 minutes ago
AI is increasing the capacity of existing employees and I think we're all still discovering, everyday, better ways to leverage it even more. So when the question comes of hiring a new teammate, the value they'd bring to the table needs to be convincingly more than what I can expect to achieve alone with AI.

I think the glut is ZIRP, but the lack of recovery (or very slow pickup) is AI.

rubyfan 13 minutes ago
No. ZIRP hangover all the way.

AI is just a plausible scapegoat that sounds hip.

missedthecue 29 minutes ago
If it were 2018, I personally would have made 3 SWE hires in the last 12 months. The reason I didn't need to is because of LLMs. Not budget, not anything else. I don't think AI is so much to blame for layoffs, but I do think it is a huge component of the slow hiring. There's just less demand for coders.
badmonkey0001 0 minutes ago
It feels to me like everyone is holding their breath to see how the wholesale "AI can replace people" notion pans out. Whether it proves true or not, betting on the wrong result will hit hard so few want to go all in (outside of the companies that produce the tech itself). If there's anything "AI" has been able to ship at scale, it's uncertainty.
napierzaza 10 minutes ago
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api 2 minutes ago
It’s mostly ZIRP hangover. The over hiring in those years was ludicrous.

AI is having some effect at the margins but it’s mostly an excuse.

Companies always prefer to avoid saying they are just laying people off. It can be a negative market signal to investors, which is paradoxical, since it might indicate lower growth expectations. It also creates possible exposure to lawsuits depending on the circumstances and state.

The nice thing about AI as an excuse is you can say to your investors and board “we are shedding cost but still growing and in fact our productivity is up because we are leveraging AI!”

coolThingsFirst 23 minutes ago
No tech is dead, 2015 i got endless interviews with a barely functional chrome extension. Today your expected to know everything.
blowsand 13 minutes ago
Particularly spelling and grammar.
doubled112 4 minutes ago
I wish I could hang out in the server closet, going long periods of time without coworker interaction, but you can't get far like that.

Communication skills matter.

napierzaza 10 minutes ago
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paxys 7 minutes ago
Original source instead of Business Insider blogspam - https://www.hiringlab.org/2025/11/20/indeed-2026-us-jobs-hir...
Esophagus4 1 minute ago
Another thing I’m seeing from the employer side:

As companies tighten their belts, they cut low performers that had been hanging around for too long anyway because:

1) cost reduction

2) companies had been lazy at getting rid of low performers when the market was hot and they didn’t need to cut (and couldn’t find better devs to replace them anyway)

3) with the market this skewed towards employers, you can replace low performers with better talent anyway because everyone’s looking

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jmugan 34 minutes ago
Maybe they are just calling the jobs by different names? It seems like names of roles are constantly shifting. "Data scientist" is a term that is going out of fashion.
kulahan 32 minutes ago
Pretty large claim to insinuate Indeed can't even tell when their own users are simply shifting terms around...

This is the company so large, their jobs data was used in lieu of the Fed's jobs data when the gov was shut down.

dan-robertson 28 minutes ago
Is Indeed seeing much of the tech job market? I never considered looking for a job there over LinkedIn.
paxys 13 minutes ago
Jobs don't have to be exclusive to a single site. Pretty much every job gets posted everywhere (usually done automatically by your HRIS/ATS software). Job boards will even scrape each other for postings. LinkedIn is notorious for this, which is why it has so many outdated listings.
impure 30 minutes ago
I’ve actually seen an increase in recruiter emails in Toronto. Not sure if it’s just me though.
bgwalter 14 minutes ago
We were told that "everyone needs to learn how to code", to the thunderous applause of all corporate stooges.

It is hard to tell what is really going on. No company will admit that they are firing, e.g., DEI hires from 2023. I have seen some open source CoC loudmouths being fired, but that is not enough to establish a large trend.

bpt3 21 minutes ago
Those are not "tech jobs" for the most part, they are business support jobs.

Data scientist is an exception based on title, but in my experience there are a large number of people with that title who have never heard of the scientific method, let alone could apply it with any rigor.

I'm sure LLMs are taking some of these jobs, but a lot of the decrease is probably due to general cutbacks on overhead and a realization that they produce limited value.