34 points by zdw 3 days ago | 4 comments
jacquesm 1 minute ago
That's a very cute domain name. Thank you whoever wrote this up and posted it, I'm in the process of building something that has a crystal on it and I did not realize this was a risk.
myself248 44 minutes ago
I've always been cautioned against ultrasonic cleaning of boards that have crystal oscillators, and indeed it's in most XO datasheets.

I've also heard that one shouldn't trim the leads of a through-hole XO before soldering it into the board, since the mechanical shock of the lead breaking can ring the whole package and similarly shake it apart. I'm curious if anyone here has seen that in practice!

the__alchemist 3 minutes ago
I went down this rabbit hole a few years ago, and couldn't find an actionable answer on if this is OK or not. Sounded like "No, you shouldn't", but almost every PCB I've designed (or used?) has at least one, and I know ultrasonic cleaning is a thing, so I'm not sure how to reconcile these.
jacquesm 3 minutes ago
Oh, that's a good one, I can see how that would put a lot of g's on the package. I think this will be a factor depending on the weight of the total assembly. If that weight is significant it will dampen the shockwave.
kentrf 1 hour ago
Interesting writeup!

Today I learned about TCXO.

If anyone else are curious, that component cost about $2 per piece.

the__alchemist 7 minutes ago
Yea! Useful if you need precise timing under temp swings. I use them for UAS LoRa radios. Def more expensive than a normal XO!
jacquesm 2 minutes ago
But cheaper than OCXO and far less power consumption too. Also (much) less stable.
Neywiny 50 minutes ago
Can't comment on the wire bonding quality but yes you're not supposed to sonic wash anything with an oscillator. This includes ultra and mega sonic. I had always thought it was because you could damage the crystal or mems structures, so color me surprised to see this failure mode, though there still could be a shift in frequency that the scoping wasn't able to see.

I tried looking at an exemplar ECS tcxo datasheet and didn't see anything in there about washing which is surprising but it also doesn't say not to crush it with a hammer so maybe it was assumed. That's bad on them.

As for SMA to 0.1" headers: yes these are very cursed. But RF designers love putting SMAs for every connector on an eval board (power, enable, whatever) and those come in handy.