91 points by cdrnsf 3 hours ago | 19 comments
hilariously 2 hours ago
"It sucks that someone potentially tricked a temperature sensor with a hairdryer to scam actual gamblers out of potential winnings" really missed a chance to say it blows.
stronglikedan 59 minutes ago
in fairness, hairdryers have to suck so they can blow
moi2388 2 hours ago
That’s rather dry humour for such a hairy situation
lelandfe 2 hours ago
It went over my head, but I think they’re full of hot air anyway.
mmmlinux 1 hour ago
"actual gamblers"
nkrisc 2 hours ago
Gambling addicts will really gamble on anything, won’t they? It’s a bit strange to see degenerate gambling dressed up as “predictions”.
gwerbin 2 hours ago
This looks less like gambling addiction and more like a scam executed for profit.
close04 1 hour ago
A lot of gambling is a scam executed form profit. I call it a scam because it's not always fraudulent, it's persuasion and a dash of misleading info. Often one party unduly influences the outcome or has information that the other can't have. Whether it's corruption to predetermine the result of a match, or knowing that the star player will miss it, or a gambling machine that suggests a higher expected payout than the real one, or even a casino's rules that arbitrarily decide whether your win was legitimate or not, in practice the industry is more scam than legitimate business.
SirFatty 1 hour ago
And who fueled the profits? Gamblers?
wongarsu 1 hour ago
This instance is what you could call a scam, maybe even fraud. But in the absence of manipulation or insider knowledge predicting the weather is pretty close to gambling. As is "does bitcoin go up or down in the next five minutes" or "how many tweets will Elon Musk post in the next couple days" (all real bets on Polymarket)
chneu 2 hours ago
Yes, gambling. That's literally what gambling is, a scam.
qup 2 hours ago
Gambling takes many forms.

If you and I flip a coin for $100, there's no scam.

mint5 35 minutes ago
It’s a scam when the house takes $1 from that $100 each time. These unlicensed internet gambling halls most certainly take their cut, whatever that amount is.
testing22321 2 hours ago
Sooner or later someone will rig the coin
chucksta 1 hour ago
Potential for fraudulent activity makes something a scam? That list is gonna be long
Tade0 0 minutes ago
"Gaming"[0] companies are audited for the expected value each coin toss/slot machine roll etc. has - typically it's a high and unusually precise percentage, like e.g. 95.1681%.

The scam in is advertising, that emphasizes how much you can potentially win, even though obviously on average the house takes those few percent each time.

[0] A term they like to use to describe themselves.

hyperhello 1 hour ago
Or a spherical cow.
alansaber 1 hour ago
We rename everything to make it cooler to sell. Probably been a thing since the times of the sea people.
saghm 55 minutes ago
Even the term "sea people" sounds cooler than "those dudes who live over there by the water"
gizajob 24 minutes ago
Preferable to “the beaker folk of the Bronze Age”
troyvit 1 hour ago
I'm a "holy crap how do they keep getting the weather so wrong" addict and it's as irrational as being a gambling addict in that weather forecasts have improved a lot. I've never been tempted to gamble until now, where I realize I can put my money where my (irrational) mouth is.

All that said, gambling addiction is like a disease, same as any other. Holding folks who have it in contempt is about the same as holding alcoholics in contempt. It ignores the fact that it's a real affliction and not a lifestyle choice. Polymarket is taking advantage of that affliction.

xg15 58 minutes ago
I think what's also telling is Polymarket's non-reaction to this. If there are obvious concerns that the outcome was manipulated, I'd expect them to invalidate the bet - otherwise they're effectively incentivising manipulation.
solumos 31 minutes ago
Polymarket is simply an exchange for these sorts of “contracts” and the results are verified by a separate entity (it’s a DAO, which of course can be manipulated, and was the subject of controversy due to some Venezuela invasion-related “market” resolutions)
mint5 31 minutes ago
No no no, the outcome revealed new information as the market intends! That info is that people had discounted the rare weather event “a 10% chance of localized hairdryers” on the day in question. The bettor predicted this better than everyone else, making their info public by placing a bet!!! /s
mdrzn 2 hours ago
cnj 2 hours ago
It never occurred to me that Goodhart's law could be applied to betting, but here we are :)
boringg 2 hours ago
Is there a bet available to determine if the weather forecasted was impacted by a hair dryer?
cosmojg 2 hours ago
That's not a bad idea. It actually sounds like it could be a very useful hedge/insurance play.
wongarsu 1 hour ago
That'd be easier to game than "will somebody run onto the field in the next $sports game". Just bet yes and bring a hair dryer. Make sure somebody posts evidence to X so you can cash out
Anon1096 1 hour ago
If the yes side is heavily favored because it's a "sure thing" then there will eventually be people who bet no and hire guards (or go themselves) to defend the weather sensor from the hairdryer-wielders.
saghm 52 minutes ago
This could be the origin of a new sport, and then betting on it would become even more common
swader999 1 hour ago
Finally some hacking news!
HeavyStorm 37 minutes ago
If that happened, has a crime been committed? I don't think so. Well, maybe tampering with the thermometer might be a crime, but, on the gambling angle, I would say it's not.
JohnMakin 32 minutes ago
If you cheat a casino, you go to jail.
declan_roberts 2 hours ago
I can't believe there's no honor among the gamblers!
boothby 27 minutes ago
I imagine it'd be harder to find somebody using an infrared laser
Arn_Thor 1 hour ago
Maybe it's bad to let people bet on anything, huh
damnitbuilds 38 minutes ago
Is that better or worse than invading Venezuela to rig a Polymarket bet ?
ghstinda 1 hour ago
hilarious title, engadget is still quality after all these years
mac3n 13 minutes ago
is this what the cryptobros are doing now?
beepbooptheory 2 hours ago
ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago
zobzu 1 hour ago
climate change via hair drier ;D
avazhi 2 hours ago
A fool and his money etc etc.

You love to see it.

Uptrenda 1 hour ago
lulz futures paying off as usual