190 points by azeemkafridi 2 hours ago | 31 comments
wenbin 3 minutes ago
At listennotes.com , we have to delete tons of fake podcasts submitted to our site

why do people create fake podcasts? they want to get backlinks from all podcast directories

podcasts are distributed via rss feed. and spammers/"growth hackers" put tons of links in the rss feed.

and podcast hosting services (especially those allow free trials, e.g., rss.com, ) could help them one-click to distribute to a bunch of podcast apps / websites

any examples? here you go -

* https://podcasts.apple.com/us/search?term=UU88%20

* https://podcasts.apple.com/us/search?term=%E6%B6%A8%E7%B2%89

* https://open.spotify.com/search/%E6%B6%A8%E7%B2%89/podcasts

marc 17 minutes ago
Fun story:

I built BetaList 16 years ago which was one of the first "product discovery" platforms. Years before Product Hunt, etc.

I manually reviewed every submission and unfortunately often I had to tell founders that their startup didn't qualify to be included. Almost everyone would (understandably!) argue their case, but as volume increased I couldn't afford to go into a deep argument with every single founder.

That's when I made https://submit.co a site similar to OP's. The idea being that instead of say "No, we will not feature your startup" I now gave them an alternative place to put their energy.

Initially it was mostly a list of tech blogs, but as more product discovery platforms popped up, I started adding them too. In a sense, I was promoting my competition but it was exactly the startups we couldn't list any way for one reason or another.

Eventually that list of "places to submit your startup" got so popular (and copied everywhere ) that it started driving traffic back to BetaList. (I included it at the very top of the list).

kilobaud 8 minutes ago
Thanks for helping us launch LocalXpose however many years ago. I know it seems like product promotion is (rightfully) something to always be wary of, but I appreciate the forums you’ve provided startups hoping to find early adopters. We are (relatively speaking) successful nobodies, but I wonder if you have any memories of sites that “blew up” after being added on BetaList?
Cider9986 2 minutes ago
FMHY (Free Media Heck Yeah) is my favorite website directory.

It definitely has lists of lists and maybe even lists of lists of lists.

It has steadily grown far beyond sharing free media and has everything from free AI and free education to free cooking websites.

It's probably a significant contributor to the recent return of piracy giving users constantly up to date and safe resources.

Website: https://fmhy.net

Github: https://github.com/fmhy

transitorykris 2 hours ago
What’s old is new again. In the 90s we used services like Submit It to get an URL into all the crawlers and indices. Now the search engines aren’t the challenge, it’s the sites targeting specific audiences.
dofm 2 hours ago
Was that creaking sound your knee or mine?
transitorykris 2 hours ago
Hard to say, drkoop.com is a landing page now
rognjen 1 hour ago
And don't forget StumbleUpon...
wslh 36 minutes ago
Speaking of StumbleUpon, I'm not sure whether this was just luck or something about its recommendation algorithm/social graph, but it was the only service where I didn't see the usual flood of traffic followed by rapid decay, the classic Slashdot/HN effect. The curve felt much smoother.

I remember some bloggers at the time describing the same thing [1].

I'd be curious if anyone knows more details.

[1] https://mark.blog/2007/10/23/the-stumbleupon-effect/

dd8601fn 10 minutes ago
I can see how that kinda makes sense.

We used StumbleUpon to visit interesting sites we wouldn’t otherwise find. It didn’t exist to keep you deeply engaged with a main StumbleUpon website.

The aggregators are meant to be the destination. The links are more like shiny dangling lures. Some of them (reddit) do everything they can to keep you from having a reason to leave the page at all.

So I suppose it would follow that one gets people engaged in your site, while the other kinda tries to keep them from doing that.

moebrowne 2 hours ago
Kinda reminds me of DMoz.
jonjacky 17 minutes ago
Curlie is the successor to DMOZ: https://curlie.org/docs/en/about.html

But Curlie doesn't appear in the website linked in the parent post.

dofm 1 hour ago
itsbeen84years.gif

Dmoz! Those were the good days. :-)

hexajon 44 minutes ago
Ha, a new/old webring. If you are reading this and know what that is, it's time for your prostate/mammogram check-up.
0xdeadbeefbabe 41 minutes ago
Haha or colonoscopy.
Barbing 2 hours ago
> Now the search engines aren’t the challenge

Although it can still be a gamble whether a small site made it to DuckDuckGo (Bing’s crawler)

But that only affects about seven of us anyway so your point stands

> Submit It

Trying to remember a different one…

htx80nerd 43 minutes ago
ya i cant believe im seeing this again
andrelaszlo 1 hour ago
I'd really like a website that submits your website to websites that lists websites that lists websites to submit your website to.
RattlesnakeJake 47 minutes ago
It could be a cousin to Wikipedia's List of Lists of Lists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists

0xdeadbeefbabe 42 minutes ago
Sounds more fun than a recipe site.
paulddraper 42 minutes ago
Post another to HN, and it’s a good start…
firefoxd 54 minutes ago
While i appreciate that there are websites where you can list your website, compiling them in a publicly available list is a recipe for spam.

Rather than post links to your websites on these websites, you need to share your website with your community. Imagine never using HN and then posting a show HN. You'll probably quickly get your domain banned.

When you are part of a website community, it's much easier to understand what kind of things you should post, as opposed to just drive-by posting everywhere.

The audience for these listings are people trying to take shortcuts.

kube-system 6 minutes ago
> Imagine never using HN and then posting a show HN.

There's three green accounts on the front page of /show right now

atraac 46 minutes ago
Website catalogues exist for more than a decade. They were one of the first attempts at gaming SEO.
jermaustin1 34 minutes ago
More than 3 decades. The original world wide web had them. Link "circles"[1] fell out of favor for SEO around 2015 or so, but before that, they had been a primary driver of Page Rank forever.

I worked in SEO from 2008 until 2015, and developed a lot of tools for increasing your PR from backlink indexing, to running a 15k domain blog network designed to build links to links to links to you, and my favorite: Click Faker - if you were ranked on Google already, on Page one or 2, it would search google find your site, click into it, navigate around, sit on some pages for a while before clicking an exit link or closing the browser - it was very powerful, but nearly impossible to scale, since it needed local residential IPs and I'm against botnets.

1. The circles actually couldn't close if you were looking for the ultimate page rank passthrough, they were actually a line, but still called circles.

faeyanpiraat 26 minutes ago
why would I get banned for showing my stuff?
susam 26 minutes ago
I have been maintaining my own list of directories where one can submit their indie/personal websites to. In alphabetical order, here is what it looks like right now:

https://blogroll.org/

https://blogs.hn/ (by @surprisetalk)

https://hnpwd.github.io/ (I am one of the maintainers)

https://iii.social/ (by @freshman_dev)

https://indieblog.page/ (by @splitbrain)

https://kagi.com/smallweb/ (by @freediver)

https://marginalia-search.com/ (by @marginalia_nu)

https://minifeed.net/ (by @freetonik)

https://susam.net/wander/ (I developed this)

https://text.blogosphere.app/ (by @ramkarthikk)

https://wiby.me/

A clarification: The Wander link above (which I developed) is not something where you list your website. It is a tool you host on your website to become part of the Wander Console network: https://susam.codeberg.page/wcn/. More details here: https://codeberg.org/susam/wander

exhaze 16 minutes ago
Nice! Just added your comment to my list of Perl script-inspired lists
pwython 55 minutes ago
Here's a much larger list (1,057 sites): https://pastes.io/rcPg2RLC
dvh 2 hours ago
xiaoyu2006 1 hour ago
...recursion?!
NKosmatos 3 minutes ago
It should be called Ouroboros ;-)
dwoot 14 minutes ago
Submission is broken or doesn't provide any user feedback on error. I've tapped submit 3x, but nothing changes. I have no confirmation that my submission had been received or whether there's an issue.
Retr0id 2 hours ago
> earn quality backlinks

Well, at least its honest. For many (most?) of the listed sites, drive-by submitting a link just for the SEO juice would be considered rude.

hombre_fatal 1 hour ago
The directories have to assume everyone is doing it for personal benefit. That's one of their main hooks to gather submissions, and they have to deal with the spam of bad actors.

If your website is a good quality addition to the lists, just submit it. Your exact motivation isn't really relevant if the qualifier holds.

joshmn 28 minutes ago
Reminds me of HotScripts, which is still around for anyone looking for nostalgia: https://www.hotscripts.com/category/scripts/php/scripts-prog...
namegulf 40 minutes ago
At-least implement the submission form instead of redirecting to email the submission, lol!
NDlurker 38 minutes ago
Let's just bring back web rings
sparkling 2 hours ago
Post once, read never
enthdegree 49 minutes ago
"X are Y but Z is real." Closed tab.
pembrook 17 minutes ago
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but backlinks has never been less important for SEO than they are right now.

Google has slowly de-prioritized them as a ranking signal over time due to the constant abuse, the death of the blogosphere (the vast majority of websites are now corporate blogspam with few legitimate organic links), and the fact that every major social platform now de-ranks posts with external links in them (to keep people on-site).

And as far as I know the crawlers in LLMs don't use backlinks as a signal at all.

theturtletalks 2 hours ago
If you’re building open-source, I have a directory you can also submit your product on:

opensource.builders

13hours 59 minutes ago
Yo Dawg...
johnnyApplePRNG 1 hour ago
brings me back, man

I remember sitting there submitting my geocities website to every search engine and website that would accept it under the sun

good times

lebuin 1 hour ago
Does it list itself?
Igor_Wiwi 1 hour ago
boosting DR rating is the biggest psyop of indie hackers: it's temporal and has zero effect on anything. All my websites are 3 to 6 DR points. https://mdview.io has 5 DR and brings in 500 uniq users per day organically
chamara2004 35 minutes ago
I really like the website
m_w_ 20 minutes ago
No one takes g2 and product hunt seriously right?
deadbabe 55 minutes ago
Since search engines are going to be replaced by AI, is there now potential for old school hand curated web directories like we had in the late 1900s to surface again?

Lists of websites hand curated by categories and topics, and even certified to have AI free content, could be cool.

stackghost 1 hour ago
Hmm, the top item on the page is Medium, and underneath the description begins with "High-authority publishing platform".

That is... not the popular assessment of Medium these days. At one point, Medium and the other minimalist one whose name I can't remember (edit: it was Svbtle) were seen as high-prestige and high-signal platforms.

Nowadays Medium is just AI slop and low-effort surface-level takes from people trying to build a personal brand.

holistio 1 hour ago
I'm building something that's not very far from how you describe (and how I also used to see) Medium.

What do you think could have prevented its downfall?

stackghost 36 minutes ago
The initial appeal of Medium and Svbtle, which was the other one I was thinking of, was that almost any time you saw an article from them it was usually high-quality. With their simplistic dark-on-light themes they looked visually distinct (especially Svbtle) from the popular blogging platforms at the time. There were no ads, no calls to action, no fucking modal "you need an account to keep reading" popups, etc. I seem to recall that Svbtle and Medium both began as invite-only, so the set of authors was highly curated.

Thus, the reading experience was fantastic.

As soon as they opened up to everyone, almost right away the quality dropped. All of a sudden Medium in particular was chock full of shallow "man page disguised as a blog post" posts and "tutorials" from people trying to build their own personal brands. It became a firehose of mediocrity.

Substack is currently experiencing the same cycle.

Ultimately I think, if you want to preserve the elite/luxury/exclusivity reputation, you need to impose artificial scarcity and resist the urge to "hyperscale" or whatever.

busymom0 59 minutes ago
I hate how medium articles keep showing up at top of my search results. I googled a coding problem. First link was a medium tutorial. I click and mid way, it's asking me to sign up to read more. Ugh. I sign up and then it wants me to go through a few pages of topics I'd like to choose and what not. Then I finally end up at the tutorial I was trying to read and it's blocked behind a pay wall. Wtf.
snowhy 46 minutes ago
great, now i need a skill to do it on my behalf
56 minutes ago
Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago
For anyone curious about what all the links are, here are all the 50 websites that the directory links to.

1. Medium : https://medium.com

2. Crunchbase : https://crunchbase.com

3. Hacker News : https://news.ycombinator.com

4. Product Hunt : https://producthunt.com

5. Reddit r/SideProject : https://reddit.com

6. Slashdot : https://slashdot.org

7. G2 : https://g2.com

8. Awwwards : https://awwwards.com

9. Capterra : https://capterra.com

10. Dev.to : https://dev.to

11. AlternativeTo : https://alternativeto.net

12. HackerNoon : https://hackernoon.com

13. GetApp : https://getapp.com

14. Software Advice : https://softwareadvice.com

15. Designer News : https://designernews.co

16. F6S : https://f6s.com

17. Indie Hackers : https://indiehackers.com

18. One Page Love : https://onepagelove.com

19. StackShare : https://stackshare.io

20. Hashnode : https://hashnode.com

21. There's An AI For That : https://theresanaiforthat.com

22. Land-book : https://land-book.com

23. BetaList : https://betalist.com

24. Futurepedia : https://futurepedia.io

25. Lobsters : https://lobste.rs

26. Peerlist : https://peerlist.io

27. Futuretools : https://futuretools.io

28. Startup Stash : https://startupstash.com

29. Toolify : https://toolify.ai

30. Httpster : https://httpster.net

31. SaaSHub : https://saashub.com

32. Sidebar : https://sidebar.io

33. Tekpon : https://tekpon.com

34. AllTopStartups : https://alltopstartups.com

35. SaaSworthy : https://saasworthy.com

36. SaaS Landing Page : https://saaslandingpage.com

37. Betapage : https://betapage.co

38. Launching Next : https://launchingnext.com

39. DevHunt : https://devhunt.org

40. Insidr AI : https://insidr.ai

41. SideProjectors : https://sideprojectors.com

42. Startup Fame : https://startupfa.me

43. StartupBase : https://startupbase.io

44. Uneed : https://uneed.best

45. SaaS AI Tools : https://saasaitools.com

46. AngelList : https://angel.co

47. GitHub Trending : https://github.com/trending

48. Dribbble : https://dribbble.com

49. Behance : https://behance.net

50. TechCrunch : https://techcrunch.com

GL26 2 hours ago
how can you make it so the blog of another company mentions your website so you get better SEO ?
Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago
I am not within the SEO world so I can't answer this question, sorry but I recommend asking it to other people or if other people can answer it.

My naive interpretation would be to build tools which other companies want to use but its a bit of chicken and egg problem and maybe these directories help in fixing the issue in the first place of this problem.

Also, with LLM's, I imagine that there are some websites which use AI for writing texts but the thing is that I'd much prefer my things to not be mentioned by them even if it increases the SEO because I'd prefer not my product if I build one when searched to be filled with slop results, and also, everyone is within the rush for gold mines and so we are forgetting writing for the sake of it but there are few people who write blogs for the sake of writing.

Perhaps I recommend looking at some blogging websites and asking them to test your website but this isn't company blog. I think that is a high bar to achieve but I wish you look in doing so and hope someone who's more experienced in SEO can answer it for ya.

anujshashimal 17 minutes ago
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