63 points by thm 3 days ago | 24 comments
zerobees 35 minutes ago
I find this study a bit weird because it doesn't really establish a baseline. If you look at "top 100" blogs in year n, I imagine that many of them will be dead in year n + 5 simply because people move on. So are we looking at the evidence of blogging going extinct, or just at the natural churn?

Also note that this specifically focuses on blogs designed to make money and dealing with general-interest stuff like fashion or travel. A lot of this has moved onto Instagram and TikTok as a byproduct of people using phones as their primary "content consumption" devices.

But I think the internet in general is moving away from bespoke, homebrew content. This is very visible even on HN, where the daily line-up contains corporate and university press releases + newspaper articles about as often as it contains personal blogs.

draginol 1 hour ago
I think you could argue that this is following the same trend as forums (and usenet before that). You get a consolidation of where people go to read up on things that interest them.

Look at Slashdot for example, it was once so popular that any site it linked to could be "slashdotted" from all the traffic. Now people go elsewhere. YouTube, TikTok, Reddit.

hn_throwaway_99 41 minutes ago
What happened to Slashdot wasn't a "consolidation", though, it was a suicide. I was a heavy reader of the site up until they had an infamous redesign that made the site literally unusable for me, so I left.

That's very different from the scenario discussed in the article.

no_no_no_yes 35 minutes ago
Wow following the Digg playbook
hn_throwaway_99 18 minutes ago
Well, it's kinda surprising that Digg actually followed the Slashdot playbook (Slashdot fucked up first) - Digg should have at least learned something from Slashdot's mistake.

Both stories are pretty fascinating examples of how corporate dynamics can ruin a product. In Slashdot's case it was a clear example of "well, we hired a bunch of designers, so obviously we need to do a UI redesign!", but the designers had no idea how users actually used the site. They added a ton of whitespace and IIRC collapsible content to make the site more "modern", but in doing so it made it impossible to quickly scan the comments for high value/insightful responses. In Digg's case it had all the hallmarks of VC meddling ("we've got to monetize!") While people often comment about how buggy Digg V4 was when it released, the bigger issue was the content was just laughably bad - it was changed to like page after page of the dumbest corporate spam. Anyone using the site for 5 minutes would have known it was fucked, so I'm guessing there was just so much internal pressure to "get shit out the door" that they just wanted to release something rather than admit what they built was a turd.

Forgeties79 34 minutes ago
I can’t believe how long ago that was.
torton 6 minutes ago
In the age of AI, interchangeable content farms that earn pennies by filling 80% of the screen with ads are dead. In fact, the user hostility of those "blogs" is what pushes people even further towards AI interfaces that output what matters up top and (for now) without ads.
Bender 12 minutes ago
I know my little crappy blog does not count but I am curious if any others do something similar to me. When interest wanes I take the articles offline, destroy the VM and edit them offline for some period of time until there may be interest and then I put them back up on a different domain so that archive sites become disjointed and disconnected from it to bury my edits of typos and such. This allows my articles to (d)evolve with me as I, the internet platforms, society and other things change.
falsemyrmidon 2 minutes ago
That seems like a lot of effort to go through
hn_throwaway_99 22 minutes ago
Given the topic of the article, it is deeply ironic that one of the sites whose traffic cratered 99% was "Adam Enfroy teaches how to grow successful blogs with AI". Apparently not.

I say this not just to be snarky (OK, maybe a little bit), but a lot of the content on these blogs was just bad, e.g. hawking get rich quick schemes where the author obviously was giving bad advice.

bediger4000 3 days ago
If you gave me one of the "100 Successful Blogs" without framing it as a "successful blog", I would not say "this is a successful blog". The 5 or so I looked at all seemed very similar, like they were part of an MLM scheme, and had uninteresting content. I did not recognize a single one of the 100.
evmar 1 hour ago
If you imagine Google's job is to present useful information, these blogs that are maximizing cash while simulating usefulness are exactly the sorts of things I would hope Google to want to filter out.

(I don't think Google's often capricious ranking changes really succeed at this, but the outcomes in this post seems like something hypothetically good?)

wannabebarista 1 hour ago
About half of what I clicked through were sales funnels.

Traffic for my blog has fluctuated depending on whether or not my site is referenced in the Overview that month for relevant phrases.

simonw 1 hour ago
This whole thing is a pretty fascinating insight into a whole other corner of the internet ecosystem:

> For more than a decade, one of the most rewarding blueprints for making money online was to “start a blog."

Then:

> These hundred authority sites and blogs were chosen back in 2022 as they appeared in “bloggers who make six figures” roundups that the entire creator economy circulated as evidence that the model was real and profitable. [...] If you tried to start a blog between roughly 2015 and 2022, most probably you read blog income reports as they were the proof of concept and held up to a generation of aspiring small publishers as this is what winning looks like, and you can do it too.

It's the blog/SEO equivalent of today's TikTok influencer culture.

ghaff 43 minutes ago
There was a pretty small slice of bloggers like Michael Arrington who really put in a lot of time and created a brand/company that did pretty well off blogging (for a time). But blogging then and now is pretty much a side-gig for a lot of people that doesn't bring in much money. Which is fine. But social media, which has itself contracted, has cut into a lot of that.
roadbuster 24 minutes ago
Looking at the categories should tell you what happened (lifestyle & fashion, finance, travel, parenting, food & recipes):

They moved to Youtube/Instagram/TikTok for better reach, a larger, total audience, and improved monetization

skybrian 1 hour ago
There's zero overlap between this list and the blogs I read. Looking over the list, there seem to be a lot of "mommy blogs?"
AznHisoka 40 minutes ago
Mommy bloggers was probably the most ludicrous niche back then. Tons of consumer companies wanted to pay them to promote their product or have a “giveaway”
Invictus0 39 minutes ago
s/ludicrous/lucrative
xp84 55 minutes ago
> “These hundred authority sites and blogs were chosen back in 2022 as they appeared in “bloggers who make six figures” roundups that the entire creator economy circulated”
alwa 17 minutes ago
Which is to say, the author’s own 2022 work at “monetizebetter.com”.

https://monetizebetter.com/blog-income-reports/

Apparently it was trendy for a time, among “blogs” selling “how to get rich making an online blog” blogs, to self-report “income reports”? And this is a bunch of those collected into a spreadsheet, and I guess circulated by the author.

No doubt a significant amount of effort to assemble, but one imagines a pungent degree of selection bias in play…

The Claude seems to be slathered on much more thickly these days than in the 2022 work (understandably), but TFA seems still to apply similar analytical rigor to a similarly weedy niche.

I imagine NFT search traffic may have collapsed in the intervening years, too… and that the spirit of Matt Cutts may be looking down upon the hallowed halls of Google with a similar number of tears for both of those declines…

vachina 8 minutes ago
I guess this is a sign Google Search is working as it should? Demote spam and surface high value information.
jefftk 33 minutes ago
No mention of Substack? Making money from paying subscribers has different trade-offs than making money from ads, but my read is that mostly traffic moved vs evaporated. But I do expect this to change further with AI, where as the author says, a blog needs to add something new and not just try to answer a question someone might search for.

There's also no discussion of how blogging has always been somewhat frothy: picking the successful blogs (by any metric) and then checking back later is almost guaranteed to show a decrease. A fair comparison would show the top blogs now vs then, or even better the overall landscape (but that's a ton of work).

latentframe 19 minutes ago
This also shows why brand matters more than ever : people that search your name is a much stronger signal than chasing keyword
zkmon 49 minutes ago
The era that existed before blogging, wasn't that bad. So nothing to be concerned about. Less stuff to read and comprehend. Recipes, traveling, DIY? They are good, It is not like someone pouring out all their views and thoughts on you.
marssaxman 1 hour ago
> one of the most rewarding blueprints for making money online was to “start a blog.“

I would date the Great Blogging Collapse to the arrival of this idea, not whatever happened a decade later.

toofy 20 minutes ago
yeah, the answer lies exactly there.

the monetization is what killed blogs. great blogs still exist, but they’re almost entirely people writing about whatever their passion is, because they’re passionate. it’s as old as time, my dad uses the term “sellouts” when he’s contrasting terrible bands with good bands from his era. skateboarders call them kooks. same thing only with blogs, sellouts.

find the people who are writing blogs out of passion, not the idiot bloggers writing seo spam.

holoduke 13 minutes ago
The only place for me to consume information is this place, some reddits and yes my Claude cli. I know you guys thinking. But it's how it is. I don't use any other medium anymore. I am thinking of ditching reddit. The bubble toxicity is too much there.
singhrac 26 minutes ago
This article was AI generated and a waste of time. So many obvious LLM patterns that I stopped reading 10% of the way down the page.
iamflimflam1 11 minutes ago
Agreed - having played a lot with AI content generation - it's impossible not to recognise it.

What's annoying is that you can put effort in and de-AI something. But it takes work. And no one wants to put the time in.

higginsniggins 37 minutes ago
They all moved to Substack.
vachina 5 minutes ago
From a consumer’s POV, Substack usually signals the article is trash (because the incentive is money instead of making good content)
CSMastermind 48 minutes ago
Substack is doing just fine. Blogging didn't collapse, a bunch of spammy get rich quick types were a flash in the pan as expected.
asmodeuslucifer 40 minutes ago
For more than a decade, one of the most rewarding blueprints for making money online was to “start a blog.“

I can't believe this sentence exists.

paulpauper 1 hour ago
Blogging as medium is thriving despite AI and LLMs. It has moved to Substack + Twitter and newsletters, and away from Google and Facebook as a source of traffic generation. Many people are easily making 6 figures on Substack now, and also combined with Twitter monetization. This didn't exist 5 years ago.

There are way more blogs now compared to 2013, and much longer and technically proficient writing compared to the terse blog posts that dominated 1-2 decades ago. Even major media sources such as the NY Times The Atlantic are copying the substack contrarian style that is thriving now.

fhsm 29 minutes ago
What’s the slash dot of the current era or blogging?

I’m skeptical that it’s out there and robust because I think hn would be the obvious answer and yet it’s not as if small bloggers are dominating the charts here.

I am skeptical that there is any single author where I would be interested in the majority of their output. Perhaps I’m the outlier and other people find authors where they want to consume ~all.

Regardless it seems to me that all of these sole proprietor subscription models are contingent on being generally interested in that person‘s average output whereas the past was faceted meta-aggregation over all producers which I think made it work.

ghaff 37 minutes ago
"Easily making six figures on Substack" is doing a lot of work there. But I agree that, if you're seriously looking to make money, Substack is probably a better avenue than having a blog someplace.
paulryanrogers 42 minutes ago
> Many people are easily making 6 figures on Substack now

How many though? I get the impression it's really just a very small subset at the top, with a very long tail making almost nothing.

hn_throwaway_99 36 minutes ago
Isn't that basically the story of 99.9% of any sort of Internet publisher, e.g. I imagine the same dynamics apply to YouTube or Twitch. It's a fundamental feature of the "winner takes all" economics of the Internet.
tayo42 35 minutes ago
>Ranking number one no longer even guarantees you're the source the AI quotes.

I noticed Google's AI summary seems to link to seemingly obscure videos occasionally.

It Will be interesting to see what happens to YouTube once AI turns it All to text and indexes it. Efficiently viewing YouTube must be at odds with how they want you to keep watching

zerobees 32 minutes ago
I suspect you're projecting too much meaning into it. I routinely get TikTok "citations" on science questions. I think it's more or less the LLM making up after-the-fact justifications for what it says by picking something out of a hat.
conartist6 1 hour ago
AI slop imagery, insta-stopped reading. There are humans making content that I will give my traffic to before that
unknownfuture 53 minutes ago
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swiftcoder 1 hour ago
> These hundred authority sites and blogs were chosen back in 2022 as they appeared in “bloggers who make six figures” roundups that the entire creator economy circulated as evidence that the model was real and profitable

Was the claim really that the model was profitable on the basis that they managed to find a whole 100 individuals who were making the income of an entry-level software engineer? That's... not a ringing endorsement for the income potential

xp84 48 minutes ago
This comes off as pretty out of touch. Entry-level SE roles have been a bit rocky since about that time and of course fell off a cliff a year later, but more relevantly, that wasn’t simply career advice directed at people who already know how to code.

100k is a decent compensation level to be able to earn just by being interesting and writing. A lot of teachers make less than that despite the education needed.

A majority of people who don’t have specific relevant degrees or specific great talents will never make that much (inflation adjusted).